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trevelyan -

What do people feel about switching the output of the "popup annotation" (the default output from
adsotrans.com and the popups we see on newsinchinese.com) to a more comprehensive definition
(something that includes all of the glosses in the database)? Right now Adso chooses the most
likely definition/pos given its understanding of Chinese grammar. I'm not sure that most people
notice this selectivity until the system actually gets something wrong....

The reason the system is built this way is that Adso aims to offer gist translation and other
sorts of generic semantic analysis functionality. Being able to hone down a word to a single
definition is much more useful for search/semantic/translation applications than just showing a
list of possible definitions. I strongly believe that structuring data in a way that enables this
is important for the ability of the open source community to innovate in the long-term.

But maybe this is the wrong approach for data-display, and especially for a project that aims to
make it easy for people to collaborate around language. I've noticed that a lot of users
(especially new contributors) like to pack multiple definitions into the popup windows rather than
add new ones. I usually edit these during the review process, but don't want people to feel
disappointed if their edits "disappear" from one release to the next, especially if they aren't
really gone, but merely restructured. Also, if people really WANT more comprehensive definitions
when they use an annotator, it is easy enough to change the system and get Adso to produce that
sort of output. It's actually much faster to do as well since this eliminates the hard work of
grammatical disambiguation.

Curious if anyone has any thoughts on this. Cross-posted on my blog.

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Quest -

Maybe something they can click on to expand? scrollable.
Potentially make it smarter by offering an option to correct the wrong translation and store the
context and corrected definition in a self improving lookup database.

trevelyan -

That seems to be the consensus on the blog too. Keep the system smart, but expand the range of
ways people can interact with it.

tooironic -

Of course you will need to include all synonyms/possible character combinations. After all,
Chinese is such a context-dependent language, there is no way a computer could always get the word
right. But yeah, a scrollable box/clickable expanding one would really give you the benefits of
both worlds

Ole -

Hi Trevelyan,

In an expanded view I would like to see linkings for:

1.) syntactical wordtypes and frequency like: A. Sinica Search for the Frequency by Word(s)
2.) POS examples like: A. Sinica treesearch

Ole

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